So now I should make a blog arguing why they cast a black person to play Cinna, when nowhere in the books says he's black. No, because Idc. He did an excellent job portraying Cinna's personality, what is really important. +, an olive skin is a tanned skin, not a black skin. With olive skin what Collins meant was that Katniss is not pale like her mother and sister. Maybe Jen wasn't the right choice (not only because of her skin tone), but Katniss is def not black. Js. Please don't kill me, lol.
The books don’t say he’s not black…
Also again, not all people of color are Black people.
NO. you are so wrong. Katniss, Gale, and all others from the Seam are described as having GRAY EYES, olive skin, brown hair. Olive skin means that she is, in fact, caucasian. She is just a tan caucasian. When they dyed Jennifer Lawrence's hair brown, she fit the role perfectly. If the role of Katniss had been played by an African American, it would not be accurate. District 11 is the district that is primarily inhabited by African Americans, and that is just what was portrayed in the movie.
“Olive skin means that she is, in fact, caucasian.”
lol get out, that is not what it means at all. Most olive-skinned people are not white.
Also, no one’s saying Katniss should be African American. There are many people of color who aren’t African American.
In the Wiki for Katniss it says she is "“wavy light golden brown hair, tan skin, and brown eyes,” which are typical characteristics of the Seam.” according to the raceinmyfandom tumblr. Can you reblog?
ahhh see where I'm from (southern France) we know that Caucasian is not a synonym for white skin. It seems to be that the US uses it as an ethnic classification vs race, which is where our differing opinions lie. Personally I know that there is no such thing (biologically) as race. But since people believe it it's an unfortunate social reality. As an woman of middle eastern descent I think that a push for changing how it is used would greatly help the US and allow more ethnic diversity in media.
Oh okay, if you’re a POC, I do not want to speak over your opinion, thanks for sharing it.
oh that's right I forgot that most Americans have a different understanding about how things are used in the rest of the world. I did not deny that olive skin exists in East Asia and Southeast Asia. So could you explain to how is the word Caucasian racist? it's nothing more than a classification for people that look a certain way. [I also forgot to include Hispanic as a form of Caucasian] I understand the US census also includes ethnicity so that could be the source of your confusion.
I'm just wondering why you are getting upset about them casting for Caucasian women, because Caucasian includes Olive skinned people. The Anthropological classification Caucasian extends through all of Europe, The Middle East, Persia, and Afghanistan/Pakistan. They may have chosen a White Caucasian ultimately but they were not racist in their casting call.
1. People from the Middle East, Persia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan may be anthropologically Caucasian, but they aren’t Caucasian by the generally-used definition of the word.
2. Not all olive-skinned people are anthropologically Caucasian.
did the author of THG Suzanne Collins have any input into the choice of casting for the movie? because if she did, then wouldn't she have been able to point out that katniss is olive-skinned if she thought it were a major part of the novel?
I actually blame Suzanne Collins partially for the casting. I do kind of think she had less input than she was made out to have, but when asked about Katniss, she gave a very blah answer about how Jennifer could get a spray tan and a hair coloring. I do not like how she handled the situation.
“It matters immensely. The fact that Korra, a strong, independent woman of color is the lead character in an action cartoon series, especially of this quality and popularity, is a HUGE deal. To say that it doesn’t matter is called erasure — Korra’s race must be acknowledged if racism is going to change at all. The kids that watch this show are going to grow up realizing that dark-skinned people (and dark skinned girls) are people too, and they are strong, and they are good people. And that’s something that hasn’t happened a lot in the past… If at all. The vast majority of leads in action series’ like this one are white males. I understand the sentiment, truly, but it’s misguided. Being “colorblind” actually HURTS people of color even if it seems like a noble idea.”
Legend of Korra Confessions: in response to this submission: “I really don’t see why everyone is like “I’m so glad that there’s a black girl on Avatar now”. Korra’s not really black, she’s just either a tanned Asian or an Inuit. There’s a huge difference there. And besides, Katara was the same color, and no one described her as a “dark girl” or “girl of color”. Not that it really matters. Even if she were purple, it wouldn’t matter.” (via racebending)
I don’t see where in the quote it’s said that Korra is black? I thought “person of color” was an inclusive phrase for any non-white ethnicity. Blacks included, but also Asians, etc.
Personally I disagree with this, making a fuss about this is not the way to go forward, it will only get known then as that kids show with the coloured main character, rather than being a fantastic show. Kids watching this won’t see any difference if no difference is highlighted and will grow up thinking anyone can fit into these roles which is fantastic rather than believing that this is a special case. Though since I’m white I’ll be rubbished on this, so here’s Morgan Freeman saying essentially the same thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s
It is also incredibly frustrating to see people saying factually untrue things like “I disagree with this, making a fuss about this is not the way to go forward…Kids watching this won’t see any difference if no difference is highlighted and will grow up thinking anyone can fit into these roles which is fantastic.”
While people are of course entitled to their opinions; they are just that—opinions, and factually wrong opinions as proven by a growing body of research across multiple fields (anthropology, developmental psychology, etc.) This belief— and Morgan Freeman’s video that people use as a stamp of approval, despite being steeped in class privilege and ignoring racial realities—is not equivalent or equally valid to the research studies that have proven otherwise.
Studies have found that even babies notice racial differences and that while babies are not born prejudiced, both white and black children already have prejudiced beliefs towards black people by age five. This is in part because children notice the lack of representation. They do not grow up automatically thinking anyone can be a hero when adults ignore race. They see that shows like Legend of Korra with a brown female protagonist are the exception and not the rule. We all can see that! Unless adults explain to kids why that lack of equality exists, children logically assume that it is because minorities are lessor. After all, that is certainly a more rational conclusion for kids to come to, especially since many forms of media present minorities as lessor (the most prominent superheroes and Disney princesses are all white.) It’s less of a leap for kids to make than the historical truth that for centuries this country (media included) treated people as less than human simply because of the content of melanin in their skin,
In 2007, researchers asked six year old children to speculate why all past American presidents were white men. They concluded that it must be because women must not be as smart and people of color were not as good leaders as white people. Even little girls and kids of color espoused these beliefs to the researchers. The children were not aware of the historical contexts of systemic sexism and racism. No one had ever explained to them that women or PoC were just as good and simply had more challenges to overcome due to a rigged system.
Another study found that when you tell kids stories with protagonists of color and white antagonists, children recall the story with the roles flipped. Children do see a difference. They are trained by media and greater society to automatically flip the difference in cases where the protagonist is a person of color. And I wouldn’t be surprised if this is also part of the reason why so many fan artists forget that Korra is brown. We are conditioned to be used to heroes who are white from a very young age. You can read more about research like this on our website, like our interview with a developmental psychologist.
Essentially, a growing body of research has proved exactly the opposite: unless discrepancies in representation are highlighted and more importantly, explained to children that they are the result of entrenched discrimination, children will assume that people are minorities because they are inherently inferior.
I just wish people would do research first before forming opinions that dismiss discriminative realities. Acknowledging this reality is not “making a fuss.”
EDIT: Also wanted to add that being white doesn’t make one rubbish at this stuff; some of the best researchers on how kids conceptualize race and discrimination are white.
We recently had a few asks from people asking for face claims of PoC. I wasn’t sure where to begin, so I was doing a little looking and came up with that blog! So for those of you wanting to find face claims for your PoC characters, there you go! Now you can RP sans whitewashing! Woot!
“I will give you two or three non-white actors in smaller supporting roles. Why not lead roles? Because I’m trying to make a living here. I have spent a lot of time and money throughout history convincing everyone that white is normal. I have even convinced non-white people that white is better, prettier, smarter, stronger, and that only white people can truly be the heroes. Everyone has bought into it, and now you want me to just abandon all my hard work?”—Aasif Mandvi parodies the mentality of studio executives who whitewash, in a satire article for Salon.com (via racebending)
This is pretty amazing…the public saying WE WANT THIS in a movie. It’s a process that’s so out of our hands until the time comes to watch it…I really love the idea of making our voice heard in terms of what we want to see prior to production. Really great.
COLLINS: It is a time period where hundreds of years have passed from now. There’s been a lot of ethnic mixing. But I think I describe them as having dark hair, grey eyes, and sort of olive skin. You know, we have hair and makeup. Source
Can we just talk about the “Panem is supposed to be ethnically mixed but we’re going to use hair and makeup to fake it because we’re so resistant to casting POC” remark? How messed up is that?
Despite the claims that there was ethnic mixing, District 12 in the film was clearly very, very white. They threw in, like, one black person for every 30 white people you saw in the background, and there was nearly always a couple of black people in every Capitol crowd shot so that the filmmakers could be, like, “See?? We’re not racist! We may not trust a POC to be the main character, but we trust them enough to put them in the crowd and cheer.”
And apparently, no brown people exist in Panem, since it was portrayed as very white with some black. But this seems to be Gary Ross’ idea of a multi-racial culture, which is possibly the scariest thing of all.