By that definition, I am olive skinned (being of Middle Eastern descent) but my Chinese boyfriend isn’t. However, our skin tones are virtually identical, and it doesn’t make much sense to me that a word that can be used to describe my skin colour can’t also be used to describe his (identical) skin colour. So I feel that the term ‘olive skinned’ shouldn’t necessarily be linked to ethnicity, and that if a PoC chooses to call themselves olive skinned then that is their choice.
"Olive skin describes a skin color spectrum that is frequent among populations from Southern Europe, the Mediterranean, the Middle East, Central Asia and North Africa, as well as parts of the Horn of Africa and South Asia." For the people who claim that only Mediterranean people possess that skin tone. The person picked to play Katniss could've been North African, Central Asian, or East Asian. They could've picked someone with natural dark skin. But they chose someone pale and tanned her a bit.
While i agree with a lot of what you say here, Q'orianka Kilcher is no more olive skinned than Jennifer Lawrence. She's a person of color, yes, but POCs are not the same. Olive skinned people are generally from the Mediterranean people of middle eastern, eastern European and north African descent. They're still quite pale and have a golden undertone, not a bronze one. I'm sure it wasn't a malicious move in any way but I feel like skin colors that aren't white shouldn't be interchangeable.
posting this for discussion….
I’ve always felt Q’Orianka Kilcher is “olive skinned”?
He existed to kiss Katniss on the lips, Haymitch's established best friend, as a prop for Katniss to show unity and kindness and then to die off-screen. He's given next to no character. Seeder says nothing. I know in the books they don't have much screen-time but they do have personality. It wouldn't even so bad if they didn't make up two 5ths of the movies POC characters.
And yeah, the Chaff portrayal was always not the greatest, what with him forcibly kissing Katniss at their first meeting. It seems like the movie made it even worse though.
In the Catching Fire film only two POC (Cinna and Beetee) had any real presence. I think Chaff may have said a few words and Enobaria hissed a little. Hell, as far as I can remember (I saw Catching Fire on opening night) that only mentioned plus Seeder were the only POC in the film given names.
Wow :/ That’s awful. And yeah, I heard the portrayal of Chaff was really badly done in the movie.
I made a post the other day about how annoyed I am about the whitewashing of Finnick, Annie, Johanna and everyone else, and so far people have been responding by saying that "it's not whitewashing, Finnick just has a tan! Johanna was never described! Annie was never described!" And it's just so annoying because they were whitewashed and no one seems to care/see it.
Sorry people have been defending the whitewashing like that. It seems like they are taking whitewashing to only mean casting explicitly characters of color as white, when really it can also be casting as if the default is white, which apart from the blatant whitewashing of certain characters (Finnick, Katniss, Gale, Haymitch), THG also did.
wow after seeing catching fire, because katniss was cast this way, the whole white savior vibes were really overwhelming.... especially with the interaction with Rue's family, and it partially ruined the movie for me....
Olive skin tones tend to look somewhat ashen or gray, from the combination of the natural yellow undertone everyone has and the greenish hue that’s unique to olive skin and is mainly associated with Europe/Italy.
I know what the fuck olive skin is. Are you seriously trying to excuse the exclusion of WOC from the casting process by claiming that European/Italian = white?
Hey so mini history lesson: people of color have been in Europe for hundreds of years. Even if olive skin = European that does not mean an olive skinned person cannot be a person of color.
Lesson on how skin color works: a person with olive skin can be white but they can also be a person of color.
Lesson on olive skin: it is a skin tone prevalent in Africa, South Asia, the Middle East, the Mediterranean, and southern Europe.
Here’s a picture of olives:
notice how the color of those olives would suggest that someone with olive skin could also be a person of color and not just another white person
This is important because girls and women of color are rarely featured in roles as prominent as that of Katniss Everdeen. By purposely excluding woc from auditioning, by saying that sure Katniss is probably a woc but hey a tan and hair dye is the same fucking thing as being a person of color, by saying how much effort they have put into being true to the books, everyone involved in this movie is saying that people of color do not belong in the spotlight or in stories like this. And considering that this is a series about the oppression of a group of people by a more privileged group of people, that’s really fucking gross.
This blog is so dumb. While I hate it when directors white wash characters, Ill admit that there was no white washing in thg. I go to beauty school and on the very first day we discussed undertones and skin color. Skin color being the actual color of your skin, and the undertone being the underlying color (red, yellow, OLIVE, etc). When you are olive skinned, you have a greenish undertone to your skin. I being the palest person in the class, also was the most olive skinned. (cont)
Now watching the behind-the-scenes on The Hunger Games and I’m hearing all these white actors talking about being true to the book and all of these white directors and producers and CASTING DIRECTORS talking about being true to the book.
No POCs asked to audition for Katniss or Gale, who are both olive skinned in the books. And they keep saying “we wanted to stay true to the books” bla bla bla.
They were true to the books about everything else, and honestly I really love the film, and the performances are great and I’m looking forward to the sequel but there’s really SO MUCH HYPOCRISY about what they’re saying.
It just makes me sad, because they really did an amazing job on the movie but there’s this glaring stain on it. The other sad thing is that I almost can’t blame them for it. We’re all so deeply buried in this racist system that says that WHITE IS THE DEFAULT FOR MAIN CHARACTERS IN ALL OF EVERYTHING that so many people don’t think about it, and people who have the power to change that perception don’t try because they just want to keep their jobs half the time.
Early on in the casting process, our organization wrote multiple letters and emails and even spoke to the production over the phone with one simple request: Change the casting call to allow actors of color to audition for Katniss, too.
That was it. We didn’t say: “Katniss has to be a woman of color.” We didn’t say: “A white actress can’t play Katniss.” All we said was open up the casting pool a little bit and give actors from all ethnic backgrounds an equal chance. Heck, even call your casting “colorblind.” Don’t only ask for “Caucasian” girls. See more than just white actors and then decide who is best for the role.
I just had this thought about the hunger games movies and like what’s even more fucked up about the whitewashing is the message that it sends. Like the story is about survival and who is the best of the best and the most innovative. Of course we live in the world where the only acceptable survivors are white. The only people whose stories are worth telling and celebrating are white. The only way we can see the inhumanity of their situation is if they’re white.
The context and power dynamics of the story just completely shift with white characters.